Been there done that, gonna do it again.

[calder12]

Ok time to get your opinions on the whole crew thing. I know some that like the current way (read those that are in a top crew) and those that hate it (those that don't have 200 friends making helper crews) So vote away people. Give your opinions for or against the status quo, if you want it changed, give a way to change it to make it more fair.

[PIMP_4_LIFE]

Ok time to get your opinions on the whole crew thing. I know some that like the current way (read those that are in a top crew) and those that hate it (those that don't have 200 friends making helper crews) So vote away people. Give your opinions for or against the status quo, if you want it changed, give a way to change it to make it more fair.

I definatly want change lol its too easy to make a top spot if you have a helper crew with you lol but its not so easy if you dnt and try to race there make it more competitive like what has been discussed on This topic

http://www.corruptinteractive.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=94440

lol

[PoTh]

stop rocking the boat

[GODthurisnoother]

i think theres should be a little change atlest
the way that the crews(in general) are done have been aorund for over 2 years and there has been no change what-so-ever
just check the "news" page on the from page of mc

06-06-2003
v1.3 has the following changes:

10) Crew Battle added:
.Crews can now own and operate their own crew car
.Crews make money by raising their SR (Sponsorship Rating) and winning races at the Crew Battles
.Raise your crews SR by winning Crew Battles
.Crew leaders are in charge of the crew car and challenging/accepting Crew Battles against other Crews
.Crews must have a minimum of 10 crew members to participate in the Crew Battles
.The average skill level of all the crew members will determine what vehicle the crew can purchase from the Dealership
.Cars and parts removed from the car are of no value and are not retained in an "inventory". They are gone once removed from your Crew Garage.
.Crew Battles do not require fuel/nitrous

[PANDAhumpnMONKEY]

no offense Rick..
this has been how top crews have been for a long time now..
stop trying to change it!!! :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

[Black_rain13]

Stop trying to change it? That's a stupid thing to say... the whole game evloves and changes each session... somethings change to make it more fair and more fun, others change just to make the game more interesting... why should the Top Crew and crew racing system remain the same till the end of time?

Make the changes, make it fun again to be in a crew... make being top crew mean something other than just "they group with the most helpers".

I've made suggestions on how to change it for the better, I won't repeat myself in here again.

[calder12]

no offense Rick..
this has been how top crews have been for a long time now..
stop trying to change it!!! :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

Things that never changed for a long time:

1. Black people were slaves.
2. Women were posessions.
3. People thought the world was flat.
4. Scientific research was considered heresy and you could be killed or imprisoned for it.

Now don't get me wrong here people I am not a fool and no this game in no way compares to the things in that list, I am just making a point here.

Just because something has not changed for a long time does not make it right!

The first person that makes a comment about one of those things in the list being ok will be banned without another warning. Try me if you think I'm kidding

[monteman]

Rick O_o calm :shock:

[calder12]

calm? not upset, just no some dumbass would come in here and say blacks should still be slaves or women posessions. And I get sick of the ONLY people that like the system are the ones that take advantage of it. I think the poll is starting to speak for itself.

[mSzura]

calm? not upset, just no some dumbass would come in here and say blacks should still be slaves or women posessions. And I get sick of the ONLY people that like the system are the ones that take advantage of it. I think the poll is starting to speak for itself.


touche ;)

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

[monteman]

Well I could argue against science O_o But we won't get into a religious debate :roll: rofl

Danny pwns now? News to me O_o

[calder12]

Well as much as it seems like I am picking on him Danny is the only one that will actually accept our crew challenges so.... even though he does argue to leave it, at least he will race other crews too.

[XxPakixX]

Hassam not playing>jason barely trying>Dan

:oops: :oops:

[200mphblur]

Well I could argue against science O_o But we won't get into a religious debate :roll: rofl

Danny pwns now? News to me O_o

danny got fried......

well i said it should be changed just cause i like changes i think it should be like the combined nw/ cbr so its counter acts just to add something diff. cause things get boring after awhile ya no

[PANDAhumpnMONKEY]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..

[GODthurisnoother]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..so because you think that competition is bad then lets put the money races back in so that 1 group of ppl can determine who wins every session
need i say more...

[PANDAhumpnMONKEY]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..so because you think that competition is bad then lets put the money races back in so that 1 group of ppl can determine who wins every session
need i say more...
the tournament competition.. not like.. competition competition.. >_<
but you cannot race for money any more, and the win is no longer decided, it goes to whoever works for it and gets lucky with timing.. o_O

[mSzura]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..


nuff said.

[GODthurisnoother]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..so because you think that competition is bad then lets put the money races back in so that 1 group of ppl can determine who wins every session
need i say more...
the tournament competition.. not like.. competition competition.. >_<
but you cannot race for money any more, and the win is no longer decided, it goes to whoever works for it and gets lucky with timing.. o_Oand whats going on now with the crews and what was going on with the "winning" of session is any different?

[calder12]

panda scared some change would make you pwn less? psh.

and adjusting to changes would be a problem how?? o_O
i jus think the way things are right now is fine..
MC is supposed to be different from TS, and having the "competition" things would make it just like TS..
which imo.. would be real lame..

I am not asking to have MC changed into TS. But there is no "competition" the current rules exclude the possibility. Dan if TS worked like MC would you have climbed the NIRA 4? Wouldn't it have annoyed you that even though you were fast enough to do well you couldn't because you weren't connected enough? What do you think the chances of Norcal beating us the session before last would have been if we could have fixed things the way it is here.

The ladder style tournaments DO NOT make MC anything like TS. I am not asking for individual tournaments, just a system where crews HAVE to race other crews. Your arguments don't make any sense at all sorry.

[PANDAhumpnMONKEY]

I just dont see a point in making the competitions, or "ladders" in MC. that's all.
either way, i will play both MC and TS, i may not like a few of the things about the games, but i will have to deal with it or quit! :o:P :D

[JDMAccord02]

Why is this a big deal? Anyone can win top crew...get 2-3 people to make a helper crew and race your ass off..the reason there is no competion for top crew is because people arent willing to put the effort to get CM's...CM's is what makes you win and crew wins are just little...crew wins pull you later on..CM's will pull you in the beginning and give you confidence..most crews giveup after they see a crew already on the standings

its not the crew wins whats making it with no competion..if you want to change something...do it with the CM's...

and there has been competion in the past with this way...
Poonklag vs NSX is the latest..thats where both crews were neck and neck..so competion isnt impossible..dynasty wins because they know they need to gain CM's in the first day and other crews slack off

and thats what i think... :P

[calder12]

crew wins = $25k per
crew wins = higher sponsorship rating
higher sponsorship rating = more money from said cms
the current top crews have an artificially inflated ratio and sponsorship rating meaning there is no competition.

What part of this is so hard to understand? The top crew in MC would very likely be a very good crew anyways, I never once said they weren't. All I am saying is you shouldn't be able to plan a win by artificially inflating your stats.

[JDMAccord02]

I see your point but with MC right now. If you wanted to play it this way, it wouldnt be hard to compete. You can have 20 cms and still be able to give crew wins off. Yeah, I see how its a stupid way that the helper crews can give 100 wins but what else can they do? Take out the whole crew wins and base it on CM's? Either way, the Vets like Dynasty will still win. There isnt much people out there who are willing to put in the time to sit at a computer for 7 hrs *looks at panda* and race for CMs. That is where most crews wont do well at. What is your suggestion to fixing the crew battle thing?

CM's is 70% of what makes the crew wins and crew wins are 30% to me...Getting 1 helper crew and racing and getting alot of CMs is what it takes to win..its pretty easy but not many people are up for it..

[calder12]

My suggestion is to run a ladder style team tournament.

This is from an email I sent Ray about it:

I think the simplest solution would be a TS style ladder system for crew battles. Have say 48 entries total, run them as 8 team brackets like the pro outlaw and FORCE the top crew to prove they are actually the best crew and not the best planners.

I assume this would take some work but you already have the code in TS and it is a matter of porting it over. You could change the pts system to a cash system. So with 8 teams in a tournament at $25k entry fee gives you $200k to play with. You could break it down to say nothing for a loss in round one (why charge just to refund it) $25k for a loss in round 2, $50k for a loss in the final and $100k to the winner. This style would allow EVERYONE a chance.

[XxPakixX]

only reason why dynasty wins=cuz no 1 else that is good enuf tries

[JDMAccord02]

This would only make it so crews like Dynasty would rely more on CMS so they can work and more CBR..and the other crews would have the crew wins but they wouldn't have the CMs...in MC..you will only see 2 crews competing if that for 1st place...the time where there are 4 crews competing is over...

With your way, everyone would have a chance at it, but no one wpi;d join if they are slower because a loss on your crew record affects your CBR on game stats alot. It would have to be a 4 crew bracket if it wanted to run frequent. CMs and experience would overpower most of the people are competing except 1 or 2 crews. This way wouldnt work very well because I can see people not joining them.
Good luck on the idea though

[GODthurisnoother]

look ta back in the day there were what 3-5 crew going for the top spot but now theres only 2
does that tell you something?
like maybe its time some SOME change

[JDMAccord02]

look ta back in the day there were what 3-5 crew going for the top spot but now theres only 2
does that tell you something?
like maybe its time some SOME change

Alot of people that played back then dont play anymore. A change might be good if it can change things but what do you want? If you want to stop the vets owning the game, you would have to do something with the CMs. Crew wins isnt going to stop them.

[calder12]

The point is this would be the ONLY way to race, if you wanted to compete you would HAVE to enter. If they were short entries it would be as simple as running the way real races do, with byes handed out on a random basis. Run the tournies every hour as long as there is a minimum of 4 crews entered.

And if Dynasty still won because they were better at cms, and had better higher level racers and worked better...... That is my point EXACTLY Then they deserve the win, because they were the best, not because they planned better. If you don't enter the tournaments you don't get any crew status so why have a crew at all. See where I am going with this ;)

[XxPakixX]

calder im sorry, but most of the time i dont understand what you post :oops:

[JDMAccord02]

And if Dynasty still won because they were better at cms, and had better higher level racers and worked better...... That is my point EXACTLY Then they deserve the win, because they were the best, not because they planned better. If you don't enter the tournaments you don't get any crew status so why have a crew at all. See where I am going with this ;)[/quote]

Dynasty would only need 1 crew win to be on the boards and that all they would need. No one is going to stop a vet crew from owning the CM's. If you mess up just a little bit, you will lose CMs and it will cost your team. About the crew winning thing, do you think there will be a crew who will be owning everyone in crew races? That is not likely so you won't see much competion. You may see the brackets get filled by multi's but I dont think there will be "real" crews. Most of the vets are either to lazy to put some competion in top crews. There are not many out there on the level to be with top teams that haven't been. Most of the vets in this game do theiving. A noob crew isn't just going to come out and win it because they have a equal chance. It takes a good amount of time to learn how to keep CM's. The only thing in MC I can think of right now that everyone has a equal chance of winning is winning the whole game. Stealing in every part requires you to play the game for a couple of sessions to be #1 in the boards except recruiting. This one should be no different and it seems thats the way top crew is right now. To me, there aren't enough people who play right now that can put competion. Less than 50 players that still play...

Anyways, I would like to see your idea come into effect so it would prove that the vets would still own like how they are right now....

Thats my opinion on the matter.

[calder12]

yeah I tend to ramble sorry for that.

Ok this is the way I envision solving the problem and how it will help.

Current top crew is decided by cbr and ratio right? You can artificially inflate both by ONLY racing helper crews. Your cbr goes up because of both the wins, and the increased sponsorship rating meaning that the cms you have make you more per credit worked. So a crew that gets lots of wins from helpers will win over a crew that does not even if they have EXACTLY the same number of cms for the following reasons:

More cbr won in crew battles
More cbr made from those cms because they have a higher sponsorship ratio.
The rating in the Top Crew is based on their win/loss and their cbr, so not taking any losses obviously impacts your standing in the top ten.

Solution.

Have crew tournaments. You do NOT send crew challenges to other crews. You go to the crew battle page and enter your crew in the tournament for that hour.

The crews that enter are broken down into 8 crew chunks by the server and set up in a ladder style tournament. If 8 crews are not entered for the hour then some of the crews get a bye to the second round randomly I guess would be the fairest way to do that.

The crews then run through the tournament much like the NIRAs in TS and real drag racing, with the payoff for winning each round being in cbr rather than points. The winner of the tournament itself would get the most obviously.

This handles the problem effectively because you can no longer pick and choose your wins. You MUST actually tune your crew car and you MUST actually race whoever you happen to come up against.

The best part of this set up is the advantage now goes to the crew that is actually the best. The ones that know how to get and keep cms, the ones that race hard and up their levels will win. There isn't anyway that anyone OTHER than the best crew could win. The only change that would have to be made is the number of races a crew ran would need to be added to the equation I think, so that you couldn't win a few early and ride that success all session.

lol JDM I was typing as you were, my last line solves the one win situation. :)

[XxPakixX]

you only get 25k for winning a crew race, that is nothing..and for having high sponsor ship, that only matters if you have a couple of hundred crew wins, even then it doesnt help you much. look at this session, there were 2 crew going for top crew, the second place crew didnt lose because they didnt have as many crew wins as dynasty, but they lost cuz they couldnt keep their cm's, and that Dyna spent too much. But in all, CM"S is the most important thing in determinging who wins top crew. and for your idea on tournaments...they FIRST need to fix it that you can ACTUALLY supe up your car and have a FRICKEN AUTO CLINIC BUTTON?

[calder12]

second place has helpers too. the rest don't and don't tell me that some of the crews up there don't know what they are doing.

Current members of TRUE_LEGENDS_OF_MC:
Driver name Net Worth Import Models
PUSSY_ $218,799,652 0
SS_Vegito $186,716,041 182
modogg85 $179,606,858 551
S__K__O__G__E__Y $204,321,189 1,847
R_A_C_H_A_E_L x1 $204,641,688 425
BleuChef x1 $368,621 161
CubRunner $205,036,815 426
Rakim_Dream $199,736,560 218
Mr_BeX $281,534,842 0
hot x1 $281,983,503 0
vtec_666 x2 $262,534,785 937
TheRock77041 $224,609,295 199
red_teggy $258,989,578 1,457
Boostered $90,649,453 177
T___E___E___T $241,941,035 2


nuff said on whether it is ability or helpers that determine the outcome of top crew.

[JDMAccord02]

It still wouldn't make a difference in who wins to me. I dont know if he realizes that CMS>>>>>>Crew wins...Crew wins will help you win but if your a good crew, you will have the wins on as well if you have the CM's....is there more than one crew who can do that? It doesnt seem so cause dynasty has blowed out everyone. If a crew cant even compete in CMs with dynasty or Blunt's crew this round, what makes you think doing this idea will? A crew has to learn how to keep CM's. If there were crews that can compete in CMS with a crew like dynasty, I'd agree with you 100% on this idea but there ISNT.
An example is NSX vs Poonklan, they had more wins than us that round but we still managed to win because we could keep CM's longer than they could. You have to understand that CM's is more important than crew wins.

[XxPakixX]

waiiit, why did u post that crews members?

[JDMAccord02]

second place has helpers too. the rest don't and don't tell me that some of the crews up there don't know what they are doing.

Current members of TRUE_LEGENDS_OF_MC:
Driver name Net Worth Import Models
PUSSY_ $218,799,652 0
SS_Vegito $186,716,041 182
modogg85 $179,606,858 551
S__K__O__G__E__Y $204,321,189 1,847
R_A_C_H_A_E_L x1 $204,641,688 425
BleuChef x1 $368,621 161
CubRunner $205,036,815 426
Rakim_Dream $199,736,560 218
Mr_BeX $281,534,842 0
hot x1 $281,983,503 0
vtec_666 x2 $262,534,785 937
TheRock77041 $224,609,295 199
red_teggy $258,989,578 1,457
Boostered $90,649,453 177
T___E___E___T $241,941,035 2


nuff said on whether it is ability or helpers that determine the outcome of top crew.

Tell me who actually is trying in that crew.

More than half of those players are retired.

Im sure they could be competion if they are going to race and keep a good ratio for one session but most of them are theives (they have been racers before) and I know some of them and they dont have the time. You can have 20 cms and work everyday and have more than 4 Million CBR. That wasn't a good point since i can gurantee none of them are playing for top crew.

[calder12]

yeah but the point is jdm that then the crew that IS the best will win, without the artificial inflation on their cbr

there were 2 crew going for top crew, the second place crew didnt lose because they didnt have as many crew wins as dynasty, but they lost cuz they couldnt keep their cm's

I posted that crew to prove their were other crews more than capable of gaining and keeping cms that aren't in the running.

[XxPakixX]

all those people havnt raced in a LONG TIME cept for rach..and thats it, i dont see what your trying to prove, if that crew actually tried to go for top crew, they would prolly own

[JDMAccord02]

yeah but the point is jdm that then the crew that IS the best will win, without the artificial inflation on their cbr

there were 2 crew going for top crew, the second place crew didnt lose because they didnt have as many crew wins as dynasty, but they lost cuz they couldnt keep their cm's

I posted that crew to prove their were other crews more than capable of gaining and keeping cms that aren't in the running.

there are crews capable of doing it, but who is going to? The crew you posted are retired players mostly. It isnt hard to compete with the current way it is now. To be the best crew, you have to have dedication to stay on racing for CM's which many people dont do. Why isnt there a crew over 50 mil? With simple wins, you can achieve that. Your idea of changing it would not do anything as in terms of whos going to win.

[calder12]

Ok so let me get this straight what you are saying is helper crews do not have any bearing at all on top crew right?


Then why do they exist? And why when I challenged them to do it the top crews refused not to use them?

I'll tell you why, because they were afraid they couldn't do it without them. They were afraid that a crew lead by someone like black rain with some real racers would knock them off their happy little perch.

Give me ONE good reason why helpers exist if they are not a part of the final equation.

[XxPakixX]

OMG, dynasty with ONE crew win would still get top crew, they r the best crew (right now) with the best racers and know how to keep cm's. the only thing crew wins do is make it easier for the crews to make more money, and that only happens when u have ALOT of crew wins..trust me man ive been thru this lol

[calder12]

Then why helpers? I'm confused obviousy. I asked Dynasty to prove they could win without them, they refused.

And btw this is in no way a slam on Dynasty. I know damn well they are all VERY good at the game. I just want the playing field leveled is all.

Oh and btw crew wins make a BIG difference on how much your cms make.

[XxPakixX]

okay, then why have crew wins at all? why dont u make it like the old days where u raced for ur CBR? do you consider that even? every 1 had money that they could race bak and forth

[JDMAccord02]

Ok so let me get this straight what you are saying is helper crews do not have any bearing at all on top crew right?


Then why do they exist? And why when I challenged them to do it the top crews refused not to use them?

I'll tell you why, because they were afraid they couldn't do it without them. They were afraid that a crew lead by someone like black rain with some real racers would knock them off their happy little perch.

Give me ONE good reason why helpers exist if they are not a part of the final equation.

I dont even see blackrain's crew on stats..it takes less than the first day to get up to a million with just CM's. <-----Just CM's ...That is with no wins included. Do you think a crew is going to beat dynasty when a crew can't get up over 20 million by now except Blunt's which he has some pretty good players. There are a limited amount of players who can play the top team ways in this game now because most dont play. That is the problem, the problem isn't the helper giving wins to the main crew.


There usually isnt even a crew within the first day that is competion, what does that tell you? Without a Crew win, you are already ahead and killing everyone with just CMs.

[monteman]

CM's, Sponsorship rating, avg crew lvl, driver lvl, RAD

((Driver lvl + avg crew lvl) / 2) x ((CM's + RAD) x (Sponsorship rating/100))

O_o

Considering sponsorship lvl affects the equation as a multiple and a percent the more SP% you have the more you will make for the crew...

Crew wins also give 25k CBR

crew wins >>> workers

however

massive buyers >>> crew wins

[calder12]

okay, then why have crew wins at all? why dont u make it like the old days where u raced for ur CBR? do you consider that even? every 1 had money that they could race bak and forth

No I don't I already explained what I consider even.

And JDM you can't be on the list without a crew win, which is why I said that they needed to incorporate the amount of races a crew had into the equation.

I am not suggesting that my idea will change who is top crew, I am suggesting that it makes everyone have a chance at if nothing else the top ten. Because EVERYONE will actually get to race and if they are good enough maybe win a crew battle or two.


btw Jason, spenders always win lmao, but I don't have a problem with that, they support the game ;)

[JDMAccord02]

Yeah...


But if you made it so u can only get 1 in the whole session, Dynasty would still win because there simply arent enough people who know how to play without losing CMS to have competion. There was alot of competion when the bot's were being played a long time ago but then the competion faded away because Ray made it to where you have to be there to gain CM's. Not alot of people are willing to do that and thats why Dynasty has a easy win for the past rounds.

[XxPakixX]

i am now too tired to argue lol

[calder12]

Yeah I know cms are the big thing, and if you had to race alot to keep your ratio that would help that issue too. I know there would still only be a few crews in the running even with my solution just like there always is in TS. But at least it would be somewhat more fair than it is now.

I don't suggest that a crappy crew without skill should have a chance, if you want to be the best you have to learn and work. I just want to see it where everyone has the same chance is all.

[JDMAccord02]

Fair enough... :)

[monteman]

David... dynasty was losing or tied is I am not mistaken until Mike started spending... and you guys started getting 4x the crew wins...

Interesting....

[JDMAccord02]

David... dynasty was losing or tied is I am not mistaken until Mike started spending... and you guys started getting 4x the crew wins...

Interesting....

Yeah, Im not sure what happened as I dont really play MC anymore but i was in dynasty for 2 rds back and no one was competion so i was just basing it on that.

Good to see someone is bringing them some competion *thumbs up*
Spending>*

[LuDe]

stop rockin the boat...

[calder12]

ummmmmmm No :)

[monteman]

*busts out DDR moves and Rock the boat

*grooves

[XxPakixX]

*steps away from thread...slowly

[InitialD]

David... dynasty was losing or tied is I am not mistaken until Mike started spending... and you guys started getting 4x the crew wins...

Interesting....


If i'm not mistaken a couple of players in Blunts crew spends in the 1st couple of days. :roll:

[boostered]

i am now too tired to argue lol

hey I got to say here, yea none of us are trying and the way the game runs now it isnt hard to get in 3rd obviously, we just do a lil for a few days and boom.. but.. the 2 top crews even without helpers and massive win ratios would probably still be on top. even tho they use the helpers, they still are dedicated and race alot. Certain players in our crew are and do race alot, others like me are to lazy and play for the fun of it, me personally, have nothing to prove, i had my medals years back and dont care if I dont have any now, ive never been voted or mentioned as a legend or one of the best and dont care for recognition, most of you dont even know me lol.

On this subject, yea top crew needs to be looked at but dont say the top crews dont try or work for it.

[calder12]

Nope, I never said they didn't. I have actually said a couple of times that they would likely still win. Doesn't change the fact that helpers suck :)

[boostered]

Nope, I never said they didn't. I have actually said a couple of times that they would likely still win. Doesn't change the fact that helpers suck :)

no one can disagree with that mate, lol :D

[hot]

all those people havnt raced in a LONG TIME cept for rach..and thats it, i dont see what your trying to prove, if that crew actually tried to go for top crew, they would prolly own


HEY!! what about me :D Not that I race now :D But I races like.. once or twice :D

[NUBOPOLY]

Im going to have to agree with calder... Right now the whole crew thing is very boring... Not because im not on the top crew or close to it but it just is boring.... i mean 1st place is up by more than 2 and a half times the 2nd crew. Im sorry but that right there is nothing competitive... i remember old MC when there were a lot of crews comepeting for it, but then again those were still based a good amount on either cheating or helper crews. I suggest we at least TRY it i mean what will it hurt to try a new system?

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Also if you really wanted to change it how about ridding of crew bank roll deciding the top 10 and basing it on prize money from the brackets or points and crew cbr goes strictly to the crew car or something of that sort

^that right there would be a total changeover