05-08-2008 Proposed Changes

[Admin]

We thought we'd share some of our idea's on updating the game/game flow for the next game period, and get your feedback and/or suggestions.

Let us know what you think...

*any non-constructive criticism will result in being banned from the forums.

1) Experience per race will factor in your networth. Rather than calculating your exp based on yours and your opponents networth each race, it will factor in your networth compared to whomever is leading the game's networth.

ie: "in simple terms".... regardless of whom you are racing, the closer you are to the game leader's networth, the more experience you will gain per race.

The game leader of course, will get bonus exp each race for leading the game (ie: 2x or 4x, etc normal exp per race).


2) We've had many requests over the last few years to bring back as much as possible the original version 1.0 of Midnite Challenge. In version 1.0 and a few subsequent versions following 1.0, there was no option to Accept or Decline race challenges. This meant that you had to be ready for a race at all times. When someone wishes to challenge you to a race, the match is created and raced immediately without delay and the results posted to both players.

In the spirit of bringing more excitement to being online, racing while online and for n00bies, racing other players online will be instantaneous.

Online challenges will not require the other player to accept/decline. This applies regardless if the person being challenged is online or offline.

ie: again "in simple terms", if you are online and challenge another player - regardless if they are online or not - the race is accepted immediately and the race results posted to both players. There is no waiting period for the race to go through, you can race as many times as you can in any given period of time, as long as you have the credits to do so.

** There will obviously be a few exceptions to the rule, such as if the opponent does not have car, is out of your networth range, race spamming the same person, etc, the race obviously can not take place.

Quick Match will remain the same and still enter you in a race every 4 min (provided it is able to find a match for you).

[Benton08]

Yeah I Like The First Point..Kinda...People Will Be Jumping Net Spending Straight Away...
And The Second Point Im Not Sure...Because Then People Will Race People They Know They Can Beat, And The Person They Race Cant Stop Losing That Race...More People I Think Will Stay In QM So That No1 Can Challenge Them... But Ive Been Having Problems With My QM..Hardly Get Races...When I Have People Within My Range...

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

shit ya'll kno i'm buying on firs day lol.....i smell wut 100 out first day...lol...let me get xp....

second one is idk.....no acept or decline...its all good tho....only thing is.......shit i forgot what i was going to say....lol......must not been important

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

ok...i remember now....

does that mean we can have like 4-5 races at once....i remember older days we could have like 2-3 at a time is it the same as before??

[Admin]

And The Second Point Im Not Sure...Because Then People Will Race People They Know They Can Beat, And The Person They Race Cant Stop Losing That Race...More People I Think Will Stay In QM So That No1 Can Challenge Them...

There is a race spamming time out period, so you can't race the same person over and over again.

[Admin]

does that mean we can have like 4-5 races at once....i remember older days we could have like 2-3 at a time is it the same as before??

No. One race at a time.

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

ok i was just checking

[Benton08]

There is a race spamming time out period, so you can't race the same person over and over again.

But As Soon As That Period Ends They will Just Race You Again...Then Do That To Certain to Guarentee Wins Would They Not Im A Bit Confuzzled Lol :confused:

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

dude O_stx_O YOUR confusing me lol

[Benton08]

dude O_stx_O YOUR confusing me lol

Yeah i Got Confused Writing That Last Message, Sorry Cres If You Dont Understand...

[bscrzymn2k6]

I like the first one, but game leader exp bonus? I smell big competition and spending's.

[Corona_Xtra]

i'm just curious to know why there would be a movement back to the old style. it's obvious you guys put a lot of effort into new changes and improvements always working on the game month-to-month. why erase all the years of updates and things to go back to square one? this month might have not been the most successful in changes but it seems like the game might be heading in the right direction. i think changes should be made after this month but not to drastically as i think the game is heading in the right direction.

and i noticed that the main reason why the changes were made for this session was to allow new players to get into the flow of things. (correct me if i'm wrong) with the new changes of course you will like to promote big spending but i know if the advantages are too great per spending such as credits to just spam racing and all. myself being a college student with limited funds, won't be able to pump that sort of money and keep up making the game fairly unattractive and pointless to play. i think the community might dwindle if such an advantage is implemented. other then that, that's all i got for now.

- tom

[teet]

take the limit off of HIn. its so much fun being at 50k and hitting someone at 30bil.

[Bubye83]

agree with teet..bring back HI to no limit..it will make the games fun...:(

[Admin]

i'm just curious to know why there would be a movement back to the old style.

The biggest reason, and also our biggest concern, is the fact that it is very difficult at this time to find players who will accept a race challenge. We found that is a major deterrent for the n00bies (as well as the current players), as it becomes extremely frustrating.

It was massively fun back in the early versions when races were super easy and ultimately ultra common since every race was completed since there was no option to decline.

After all, this *IS* a racing game and racing should be the primary objective.

[PHAZE_____________1]

The biggest reason, and also our biggest concern, is the fact that it is very difficult at this time to find players who will accept a race challenge. We found that is a major deterrent for the n00bies (as well as the current players), as it becomes extremely frustrating.

It was massively fun back in the early versions when races were super easy and ultimately ultra common since every race was completed since there was no option to decline.

After all, this *IS* a racing game and racing should be the primary objective.

If that is the case...why not just change someway the races are accepted...i think this session was tougher than last session but i also believe its going in the right direction...point one i SEE FAR LESS MULTIS running this session....that i think is important in itself!...only thing i see you might need to change is how the race happens...also there are ppl that you get like .5% off a race and ppl that give you 1% off a race...how are you so sure that ppl will not spam the 1% person all day long?..i liked the one idea you threw out there once...where if you are the one being challenged you will not get a loss...i think that alone will make ppl accept races since you will not gain a loss but gain exp?

[projectjdm]

i'm just curious to know why there would be a movement back to the old style. it's obvious you guys put a lot of effort into new changes and improvements always working on the game month-to-month. why erase all the years of updates and things to go back to square one? this month might have not been the most successful in changes but it seems like the game might be heading in the right direction. i think changes should be made after this month but not to drastically as i think the game is heading in the right direction.

and i noticed that the main reason why the changes were made for this session was to allow new players to get into the flow of things. (correct me if i'm wrong) with the new changes of course you will like to promote big spending but i know if the advantages are too great per spending such as credits to just spam racing and all. myself being a college student with limited funds, won't be able to pump that sort of money and keep up making the game fairly unattractive and pointless to play. i think the community might dwindle if such an advantage is implemented. other then that, that's all i got for now.

- tom

If you were around for version 1 then you would be all for it.
I LOVE the new changes.
Bring back Gold Game to? :)

[Hitman666]

great changes like poonkla said

[teet]

great changes like poonkla said

project is poonkla? didnt have a clue.

i agree. it was more fun back then. including no limit on HIs!

[Victorious]

I think these are about the worst ideas possible.


1) The EXP bonus for a leader, basically just means you're choosing money over game play. People will spend like crazy, and those that can't won't even bother playing. (If you call it anything besides that, you're not telling the truth.)

2) Automatically accept races, and no waiting period is still encouraging credits to be bought, and punishes those that play for fun. If you want to gain EXP you have to be able to spend to get in first, spend to stay in first, and spend to send out as many race as you can, so you can continue to keep your level high enough to spend to stay in first place. Funny how you chose that route, instead of actually trying to make the game more fun.

You should put a limit on how many you can race an hour, higher how much you make by working, take the HI limit off so people that don't spend can still catch up to those that do. You should also focus more on make the game more fun for the noobies, instead of chasing them away cause they won't spend on a game they've played for 10 days.




Also, if you say I didn't play Rev 1. I did. If you say I can't spend so I'm whining, I can.

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

I think these are about the worst ideas possible.


1) The EXP bonus for a leader, basically just means you're choosing money over game play. People will spend like crazy, and those that can't won't even bother playing. (If you call it anything besides that, you're not telling the truth.)

2) Automatically accept races, and no waiting period is still encouraging credits to be bought, and punishes those that play for fun. If you want to gain EXP you have to be able to spend to get in first, spend to stay in first, and spend to send out as many race as you can, so you can continue to keep your level high enough to spend to stay in first place. Funny how you chose that route, instead of actually trying to make the game more fun.

You should put a limit on how many you can race an hour, higher how much you make by working, take the HI limit off so people that don't spend can still catch up to those that do. You should also focus more on make the game more fun for the noobies, instead of chasing them away cause they won't spend on a game they've played for 10 days.



Also, if you say I didn't play Rev 1. I did. If you say I can't spend so I'm whining, I can.


Idk Chad i think the first idea xtra xp for top nw i think is a good idea tho....Yea it wont give people who can spend a chance but you are right about the no limit for HI's tho...i'm tired of trying to find people half my NW to HI.....

N the second opinion...i agree why make the nOObies leave..it true i think alot of people will stop playing until the game is fixed to the way they started playing....see this round I almost quit because i didnt like the beginning of the session....but now i changed my mind since i found a good way to get xp faster.....but i just hope we never go back to this session again...lol

but other then that I cant wait to see how the changes affect the game....n how many people dont play....i just hope the changes do not affect my crew next round......

[Shane_135]

I wasnt around for rev1 but have been playing for a few years, and i think the changes are always a good thing but i agree that it may just be a bit to quick since you only made major changes last round.

on the actual ideas,
#1 is a good idea it will encourage spending but thats what keeps this game running, im pretty sure that corrupt has bills to pay and ppl spending on the game helps cover the overheads, plus the non spenders are and always have been disadvantaged to spenders that is why pple spend to get ahead, last round was the same, all the spenders were at the highest lvls it is something that will never change.

#2 this would suck if you were going for top crew and your oposition just spamed everyone in your crew to ruin win/lost ratio but would be great for the crew who has the higher lvls. but there was a big problem with ppl not accepting but alot of that was caused by the way exp was working, at the higher lvls you would get .40% from a lvl 1 that has 5k net worth and would get nothing from everyone else, and everyone would challenge the high networth ppl who would decline because they are trying to lvl etc, now the problem seems to be finding someone online you can challenge.

HI's should be changed but not to an open free for all, there is nothing worse than seeing someone spend $100 and wathcing them have it taken off them within 30minutes, maybe make it 10x net or something.

anyways thats my 2 cents

[bscrzymn2k6]

If we want to have the MC to keep on running with the nonspender being disadvantage to the spenders, have the golden section brought back or something.

Were there so many more people playing than we have now?

[Benton08]

I Dont Think You Should Be Changin The Game So Much You Had It Goin Good Last Session...Then You Changed It Too This...Now Your Changing It Again....

[bscrzymn2k6]

If you want the game leader to have the bonus exp, it will be a disadvantage for few people.

But instead, why not the online who ranks number one, but only online, not overall game rank number 1, to have the bonus exp?

[Benton08]

If you want the game leader to have the bonus exp, it will be a disadvantage for few people.

But instead, why not the online who ranks number one, but only online, not overall game rank number 1, to have the bonus exp?

That Still Means People Go For Top Spot So Theyre Deffo Best Online Player = Big Spenders Advantage Still....

[Hitman666]

I think these are about the worst ideas possible.


1) The EXP bonus for a leader, basically just means you're choosing money over game play. People will spend like crazy, and those that can't won't even bother playing. (If you call it anything besides that, you're not telling the truth.)



2) Automatically accept races, and no waiting period is still encouraging credits to be bought, and punishes those that play for fun. If you want to gain EXP you have to be able to spend to get in first, spend to stay in first, and spend to send out as many race as you can, so you can continue to keep your level high enough to spend to stay in first place. Funny how you chose that route, instead of actually trying to make the game more fun.

You should put a limit on how many you can race an hour, higher how much you make by working, take the HI limit off so people that don't spend can still catch up to those that do. You should also focus more on make the game more fun for the noobies, instead of chasing them away cause they won't spend on a game they've played for 10 days.




Also, if you say I didn't play Rev 1. I did. If you say I can't spend so I'm whining, I can.



Chad you are missing it, the EXP bonus pretty much guarantees more competition. People will be competing to get into first, and to stay in first so they can get more exp whether they are trying to win, win top crew, or get IDE they will all be fighting to stay up top. Now I am assuming the exp bonus is not going to be anything EXTREME, and that will make sure that those who don't have a chance to get into first will still play. They will just be trying to keep their NW as close to the top guy as they can so they are getting decent exp.

Auto accepting the races was great back in the day. You click on someone click race it goes directly to the time slip so you don't have to wait 4 minutes for the race to go through. Also i believe it used to be a 7-8 minute period before you could race the same person again, which helps keep the spamming down. Racing was great back then and this change is a good one trust me. Also you don't have to stay in first to get exp. You have to stay as close to first as you can to get the max exp per race, but you get exp no matter what.

Limiting how many people you can race what would the point be? this is a racing game you race as much as you can if you want to get exp/levels.

And you stated you think it will chase away the noobs. Well back in Rev. 1 there were hundreds of people online at a time, noobs were signing up by the dozens per day. Now theres never more then 20 people online. I think these changes will actually make the game better and encourage people to buy a membership and play competitively which is what you want. What fun is it having 20 people play competitively and everyone else log on once a day and not try?


But yes they need to remove the HI range restrictions.

[Tokkiez]

i agree with what ryan said. Honestly chad if youve been around in rev1 then you would approve of these changes.

I honestly am retired and i decided to try this new mc out. The exp is gain is a pain in the butt and this new system will take quite a time to get use too, but it works great in my opinion.

Only thing that needs to be changed in my opinion is Home invasion. If you really are trying to revert it back to nearly like rev1, we should have no limits. But then i dont agree with no limits either. Like that one guy said maybe x10 or something of the sort. I say x5. Sounds balanced.

This game is going into the right direction and a positive one. Great changes kao and raymond. You finally got off your arses.

--

Another great idea other than gold game is, Hi mode and Boost mode!!

Who remembers those? They were awesome possum :yahoo:

[bscar]

The only thing I remember sucking during the reg/gold game was crawling out of the hole you dug yourself by staying $2501 net while you raced the top people, offline and on, for massive experience each race. That and 35 was the highest level you could get and $1B net was damn near impossible unless you bought the McLaren and hid the rest

[Victorious]

Chad you are missing it, the EXP bonus pretty much guarantees more competition. People will be competing to get into first, and to stay in first so they can get more exp whether they are trying to win, win top crew, or get IDE they will all be fighting to stay up top. Now I am assuming the exp bonus is not going to be anything EXTREME, and that will make sure that those who don't have a chance to get into first will still play. They will just be trying to keep their NW as close to the top guy as they can so they are getting decent exp.

Auto accepting the races was great back in the day. You click on someone click race it goes directly to the time slip so you don't have to wait 4 minutes for the race to go through. Also i believe it used to be a 7-8 minute period before you could race the same person again, which helps keep the spamming down. Racing was great back then and this change is a good one trust me. Also you don't have to stay in first to get exp. You have to stay as close to first as you can to get the max exp per race, but you get exp no matter what.

Limiting how many people you can race what would the point be? this is a racing game you race as much as you can if you want to get exp/levels.

And you stated you think it will chase away the noobs. Well back in Rev. 1 there were hundreds of people online at a time, noobs were signing up by the dozens per day. Now theres never more then 20 people online. I think these changes will actually make the game better and encourage people to buy a membership and play competitively which is what you want. What fun is it having 20 people play competitively and everyone else log on once a day and not try?


But yes they need to remove the HI range restrictions.

Limitng the people you can race would give those that don't spend a chance Ryan. Yes, there were dozens of people of playing back in Rev. 1 and reverting back to a shittier version of that will not bring everyone back no matter what you say. I agree with not having the wait period for races, but you shouldn't be able to race an infinite amount.

It's not my game though, ruin it however you please.

Don't get pisesd when I say I told you so.

You're going to make it so you have to spend to have fun (Something you don't need to do now), and you're gonna see just how fun it is.

[Tokkiez]

rev1 was not a shittier version, everyone who played knows that. Rev 1 was going in the right direction until the game itself was hacked and ruined. I was around when it happened and saw what it did.

It tore up a game that was secure and fun. There was loads of people in rev1 because the game was in the right direction.

The changes now is not reverting to a shittier version, Its finally being worked on completely and brought back to the way it is. Many of you might disagree that this is a better change but it actually is better. Due to this direction the game will progress. I agree with ryan that since #1 gets a small and i mean small bonus of exp just being number 1 will provide competition. Not just an increased amount of spending but it will bring competition.

Although if that happens i think we should change hi ranges to atleast x5. So it will encourage old veteran players who just login these days to keep hing and make a contribution to this game still. Yes its a more fair playing field now and everyone has an opportunity to have races and be better.

But its also the ones who Learn how to level up fast by tuning , highest power rating and etc , to even try and take the time to learn the game.

You dont have to be a spender to win, I have proved that many times. I think all the years ive played ive spent 28 bucks.

6 bucks in memby and 10 bucks in cred when i got banned a year ago, and 2 membys since then. You just have to play hard and try to learn from the best. If they wont give you the time of the day.

Then come at me, i will help you progress and improve ur skills in mc. I can finally say im retired. I am here to moderate and help players.

If you need help message me here on the forums
or add me on msn angelalinh@Hotmail.com

To the new players reading this, if you want to get better at midnitechallenge i recommend that you get msn messenger. about 90% of the players use this messenger to learn and to communicate with each other

[Victorious]

I said the proposed changes are just a shittier version of Rev 1 Tok.

I know Rev 1 was better then this.

[Hitman666]

there is a limited amount of times you can race, it's when you're out of credits

[Victorious]

there is a limited amount of times you can race, it's when you're out of credits

Unless you buy more...

Thus, my point....idiot

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

Unless you buy more...

Thus, my point....idiot

its gonna incourage more people to spend.....

[Etter24]

its gonna incourage more people to spend.....


that is exactly what they are always trying to get people to do lol

[Hitman666]

Unless you buy more...

Thus, my point....idiot

ok well i guess you would be right if someone kept buying credits nonstop throughout the entire round so they never had 0

[Victorious]

ok well i guess you would be right if someone kept buying credits nonstop throughout the entire round so they never had 0

Case in point, Saints.


Yes that is what I'm saying.

[NoToRiOuS_ThUgS]

i bought creds 4 times this round......each time i stocked up on creds....now i only have 19k.......so i aint buying more until last day.....lol

[Xaero]

well i like the idea of new changes ill see for myself if the changes are good enough for me :D its a good change to see with the new tweaks to it :)
InGameName=Devil_Z

[ILUV2EXLR8]

i have a question about the idea of the races going thru immediatly tho i dont think its a bad idea but how would this effect dyno and tnt the way its set now u can not do neither while racing so if races are accepted immediatly and races keep flowing it does not allow time to prepare your cars.